FADNA 2010 day -1

tomorrow FADNA 2010 starts and I’m still sitting in Indiana. One might ask, “hey, isn’t FADNA 2010 in Aimes, IA?” and One would be correct. I screwed up my booking and will be arriving tomorrow around 12 noon… and the FAD starts at 9am. Brilliant, I know. I have never flown or booked a flight so something was bound to go wrong. I hope this is the only thing.

On the upside Larry gets a night to himself at the hotel (enjoy it sir, you deserve it). I was travelling light anyway so I shouldn’t be too much of a distraction when I show up. I won’t come busting in with one of those bags on wheels or anything.

When I arrive I should be fairly well rested, angry as hell (I just know the TSA will do something to piss me off), and ready to get down to business. I’ll try to follow as much as possible over IRC and talk.fp.o as possible so I don’t throw things off to much.

Well see you all (late) for FADNA Day 0

Fedora Community Gaming Session armacycles-ad

Bruno Wolff posted this to the Announce list:

There will be another Fedora Community Gaming session this weekend.
We will be playing armacyles-ad which is a light cycle game.

We will be starting at:
UTC: 1700 Saturday May 22, 2010
EDT: 1pm Saturday May 22, 2010

The game has short rounds, so drop ins and outs should be easy to accomodate.
I’ll be hanging around at least two hours, and can let the server run as
long as people want to play.

This game comes recommended by a third party, but I’m still acting as
the organizer.

We’ll meet pregame in #fedora-games . If any experienced players want to
recommend server settings, please speak up in the pregame meet up.
We’ll also use in-game chat and I’ll have Fedora Talk set up as well.

A bit more information is at

screenshot of armacycles-ad

screenshot of armacycles-ad © threethirty 2010 NO RIGHTS RESERVED PLEASE USE AS YOU PLEASE UNDER THE CC ZERO LICENSE

Some Updates from All Around Fedora Land

Finally got my ticket for FADNA 2010 they went up $100 USD in the time I proposed it and they were ordered. That is insane but there is no other way I could go. Thanks to Max for suffering through all my BS

Some imminent deadlines for Fedora Summer Coding 2010:

* 13 May — mentors stop submitting ideas. **this one is already past**

We’ve got a mighty list so far, so don’t feel you need to rush in
with more. 🙂 Save a few for the Sep – Feb southern hemisphere run,

* 20 May — student proposals due.

Hopefully students are already working with mentors on so there are
fewer surprises when the mentors start working through the


* 21 May — sponsors pledge funding.

For this summer, last chance to be a sponsor. Want to know more?
Read these posts:



Fedora 14 Release Name:

Thank you to the community for helping us select the name of the
followup to Fedora 13, “Goddard.” The Fedora 14 release name is:


Following are the full election results.

Voting period: Tue 2010-05-04 00:00:01 – Mon 2010-05-10 00:00:01
Number of valid ballots cast: 206

Using the range voting method, each candidate could attain a maximum
of (206*6) = 1236 votes.


votes | name
– ——-+———–
610 | Laughlin
594 | Laramie
507 | Ventnor
482 | Mitikas
459 | Hoppin
403 | Fytnargin

FESCo and Board elections are right around the corner.

In each election cycle, a series of town hall meetings is conducted to
give the community an opportunity to ask the candidates questions –
and hear their answers – on IRC. The town halls for each election are
held twice, to allow for participation by community members in varying
time zones.

The town hall schedule is as follows:

Friday, May 14, 2010 – FESCo town hall – 16:00 UTC (12:00pm US Eastern)

Monday, May 17, 2010 – Fedora Project Board town hall – 00:00 UTC
(8:00pm US Eastern, -SUNDAY-, May 16)

Monday, May 17, 2010 – Fedora Project Board town hall – 17:00 UTC
(1:00pm US Eastern)

Wednesday, May 19, 2010 – FESCo town hall – 02:00 UTC (10:00pm US
Eastern, -TUESDAY-, May 18)

The town hall schedule, as well as important information about how you
can participate in the town halls via IRC, can be seen on the wiki at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#IRC_Town_Halls .

For more details on the elections and candidates, please visit

There will be a One Week Slip on the release of Fedora 13 Goddard.

The F13 final readiness meeting, also known as the “go/no-go” meeting,
was held this evening. As the meeting notes indicate, there are bugs
remaining on the blocker list:


According to the release criteria , the decision was made to slip
the release of Fedora 13 by one week, to Tuesday 2010-05-25.

During composition of any further release candidates, the Fedora
Release Engineering and Quality Assurance teams plan to be
conservative in accepting fixes for the release, and will limit these
to blocker items and critical fixes.

The Fedora 13 release schedule has been updated to reflect the new
release date. We regret any inconvenience to the community. Thank
you for your patience as we try to ensure the best possible Fedora

Fedora and Active Directory

I have been asked a couple of times about integrating $GNU/LinuxDistro into Active Directory and I have always had to turn them away with a joking “that’s above my pay grade” because I have no idea what they were talking about and still don’t but there was a great discussion on the ambassador list about it. Check it out here:


Ubuntu 10.04 memory leak issue: Not RedHat’s nor Fedora’s fault

Some of you may have read about a memory leak that cropped up very late in Ubuntu 10.04 development
process. They kindly put this phrase in their explanation of the bug:

“One possible solution is to roll back the GLX 1.4 enablement patches,
and the patch which caused the memory leak to appear. These GLX patches
were produced by RedHat and incorporated into Debian, they were not
brought in due to Ubuntu-specific requirements”

Which can obviously create the impression that the patches in question
actually come from Red Hat Enterprise Linux, or from Fedora.

Short story for the impatient: the problematic patch is not in any
version of Fedora and never has been, Fedora is not subject to this
memory leak and never has been.

So if you see any stories drawing the implication that Fedora is also
subject to this leak, please (VERY KINDLY!!!) correct them – it isn’t.

Longer version for the curious: I’m not sure about the claim that the
‘GLX 1.4 enablement patches’ come from Red Hat, they may be in RHEL for
some reason, but they’re not in Fedora; we wouldn’t need to backport GLX
1.4 from X server 1.8 to 1.7 as we’re just shipping X server 1.8 in
Fedora 13 anyway.

Regardless, the actual patch that caused the problem in Ubuntu was not
part of the GLX 1.4 backport, but was an attempt to fix this bug:


Sometimes X would crash when Clutter-based apps closed. Fedora did
actually suffer from this bug too:


However, Ubuntu and Fedora took different approaches to fixing it.
Ubuntu seems to have jumped on one of Jesse Barnes’ early attempts to
fix the problem (Jesse works for RHT, hence the Red Hat link Intel). In the
end, though, if you read the upstream bug, Jesse ceded to Kristian
Høgsberg (who worked at Red Hat until recently and now, for the record, works for Intel), who provided a better fix which was committed to upstream. For Fedora 13, we took Kristian’s fix, not any of Jesse’s attempts. This was included in xorg-x11-server-1.8.0-7.fc13 . That seems to have caused a couple of
problems with compositing managers:


xorg-x11-server-1.8.0-7 was sent as a candidate update for F13, got bad Bodhi feedback (as
you’d expect) and was withdrawn; it never went into the ‘stable’ F13
repo (the one from which the final F13 will actually be built). The bugs
were fixed by adding one more upstream patch, from Michel Dänzer:


to xorg-x11-server-1.8.0-8.fc13 . That build has good feedback:


and was pushed to F13 updates two days ago. So in summary our processes
worked very well, we didn’t jump on an incomplete fix, we didn’t push
the initial upstream fix to the ‘stable’ F13 because our feedback system
made us aware of the problems it caused, we did push the fully-working
fixed package when it was confirmed ready, and we were never at any
point subject to the memory leak issue. This is actually quite a nice
story of our QA processes working effectively, if someone’s looking for
such a thing. =)

I plagiarized much of this from an email I got from
Adam Williamson [I think its plagiarize Adam day :)] because I thought it would be good to set the record strait and I really don’t know a whole lot about the areas this happened in. So record is set strait, if you do correct any stories please be really nice about, there is a lot of FUD (whether its intentional or not) and that always makes it hard to report the truth.

Also if you want to make reporters lives awesome you should read over Zonker’s Fedora Classroom Log really awesome stuff. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom#Apr_27_2010_.2820100427.29

Upcoming Test Days: Preupgrade and Xfce!

I was reminded of this today (I’d totally forgot) so in an effort to get this info out asap I’m gonna blockquote Adam’s blogpost 🙂

So this week we round out the Fedora 13 Test Day schedule, which has seen us run the gauntlet from NFS, through color management and SSSD, scale the heights of Graphics Test Week, and will see us come to a triumphant finish with the Preupgrade Test Day on Thursday 2010-04-29 and the Xfce Test Day on Friday 2010-04-30.

These are two juicy topics: preupgrade is the recommended method for upgrading from one Fedora release to the next, and is widely used. We also really need to have it working properly at release time, so we need your help to test and make sure it is! Xfce is one of the most popular ‘alternate’ Linux desktops, and has a very dedicated Fedora SIG which works hard to provide a smooth experience and live spin, and has organized the Test Day to make sure the Fedora 13 Xfce experience is second to none. So please come out and help us polish off these final Fedora 13 features!

As always, the Test Days will run all day in the #fedora-test-day channel on Freenode IRC. If you’re not sure about IRC, read the guide or use WebIRC. If you can’t do the testing on the Test Day, you can still run through the tests and provide your results earlier or later; you’ll just miss out on the real-time IRC discussion, but that’s okay. You can do the Xfce testing with a live image which will be provided on the Test Day page. Obviously this isn’t possible for the preupgrade testing, but you can test it in a virtual machine if you don’t want to (or can’t) mess with your real Fedora installation.

Testing is easy and there’s lots of guidance on how to do the testing and file your results on the Wiki pages – you don’t need any special skills to help out! Even if you get stuck, there will be QA team members, developers, and other testers on IRC to help you out. The more testing we get done the more polished Fedora 13 will be for everyone.

Recent Bugzilla Comment Concerning Fedora 11 EOL

John Poelstra posted to the Announce mailing list a correction to a message that anyone with open bugs for Fedora 11 received. So I won’t have to issue corrections I’ll just post it verbatim.

All open Fedora 11 bugs recently received a comment warning about the
upcoming end of life for Fedora 11. This email serves as correction to
part of that notification.

Due to an error on my part this warning was sent out earlier than it
should have been. The statement “Approximately 30 (thirty) days from
now Fedora will stop maintaining and issuing updates for Fedora 11…”
is incorrect. The end of life (EOL) for Fedora 11 will be June 18,
2010, which is thirty days after the release of Fedora 13, currently
scheduled for May 18, 2010. When Fedora 11 reaches EOL at that time,
bugs open for Fedora 11 will be closed as previously described.

For more information on Fedora’s policy for maintenance of our releases,
please refer to:


My apologies for any inconvenience or confusion this error may have caused.


Also don’t forget F13 is out in 21 days.

Are you a student? Like to program? Wanna make some money this summer? Then check out Fedora’s Summer Coding 2010!

poster explaining summer coding

The Fedora Summer Coding program connects students, mentors, sub-projects, and sponsors to provide coding opportunities as summer jobs.

Interested? All of the info can be found here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010

Students applications + proposals need to be in by the 20th of May

Paul Frields to Step Down as Fedora Project Leader

Paul Frields the current Fedora Project Leader (FLP) will be stepping down sometime in May. Mr. Frields wrote this to the Advisory Board Mailinglist:

I’ve been the Fedora Project Leader for a little over two years now,
and now that we’re rocketing (sorry!) toward my fifth release in that
role, I’m interested in branching out into other ways of championing
free and open source software at Red Hat. Before I do that, I want to
smoothly pass on the role of Fedora Project Leader, and make sure the
person who next takes this role can be fully successful in it.

My peers and managers in Red Hat and the community at large have been
incredibly supportive, and there’s no one driving this decision other
than me. The Fedora Board, and key managers and engineers in Red Hat,
are all part of the process of selecting the next FPL.

This process will naturally take some time, but I’m glad that the
partnership between Red Hat and the rest of the Fedora community
allows me to give people an early heads-up about these plans.

It’s important that Fedora always be able to make opportunities for
fresh and energetic leadership that will help take our Project, and
the distribution we make, to the next level of achievement.
Regardless of what I’m doing next at Red Hat, part of my job early on
will be to give as much assistance as possible to the next FPL, just
as Max Spevack did for me, allowing that person to successfully take
over this position, and continue leading Fedora into the future.

* * *

By the way, it might have been more difficult to write this message,
except for the fact that we are all working together in a very special
area of endeavor — free software. And thankfully the Fedora Project
not only embraces the concept, but the *practice* of free software, so
there is always source to look back on, recorded history to examine,
and open and transparent process to draw from. In short, we have
giants’ shoulders on which to stand. So of course I looked to see how
our previous FPL handled the delicate matter of succession:


I’m sure no one, including Max, will mind if I took a look at that
text for a starting point. Unprecedented transparency has continued
to be a hallmark of the Fedora Project, and it’s a legacy we can all
be proud of.

Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/
gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
http://redhat.com/ – – – – http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com

If you ask anyone who has or is doing a job like this they will tell you that it is never easy. Long hours, ALOT of national and international travel, few if any days off. But they will also tell you that there are few thinngs that are more satisfying. Paul has done a great job as FPL and has personally help me grow as a cntributor and as a member of the freesoftware community as a whole.

Now to the fun stuff ELECTIONS AND PROCEDIURE!!!! 🙂

Paul also sent this to the Advisory Board:

With a Fedora release looming in the future, it’s time again to
sharpen our quills and prepare for elections! That means we need (1)
a schedule, (2) someone to administer candidate questionnaires,
assuming voters continue to find them helpful, and (3) people to help
run any town hall meetings for the candidates.

Our erstwhile, fabulous elections coordinator, Nigel Jones, has let a
few folks know that he would like to step down and have someone else
take over the running of elections. He’s done a great job for several
cycles now, so we’re looking for someone with infrastructure knowledge
and access who can run the necessary SQL bits for setup[1]. As I
understand it, Nigel or someone on Infrastructure (Toshio?) will be
happy to give that person a rundown on what to do.

To the best of my knowledge, we have three groups that will be holding
elections during this period — the Fedora Project Board, the Fedora
Ambassadors Steering Committee (FAmSCo), and the Fedora Engineering
Steering Committee (FESCo). If I missed a group that expects to hold
elections around this time, please speak up.

I don’t recall our schedule last cycle having any horrible bugs, so
I’ve more or less duplicated it here in terms of relative times. This
is a draft, so I’d appreciate observations and comments:

Nominations open: April 28-May 5
Candidates complete questionnaire: May 6-11
Questionnaire answers posted: May 12
Town halls: May 13-19
Voting: May 20-26

Here are some specific proposed dates that would affect the Fedora
Project Board:

First appointment: By May 13
Second appoitnment: By May 31
First public meeting of new Board: June 3

* * *
[1] For that matter, if there are people out there interested in
getting involved in an interesting web app, the elections app is
fairly easy to understand and does have some useful enhancement
tickets filed that would make it easier for future election
coordinators to use.

So look froward to some Election coverage in the near future 🙂

Find high quality shows that are 100% Oggcasts at Oggcast Planet

oggcastplanet.org logo

My buddy monsterb has made a site that lists all of the known Oggcasts and a definition of what an oggcast is. From the site:

Welcome to Oggcast Planet! Here you will find links and information on high quality shows that are 100% Oggcasts. Please visit the Members page for detailed info! Some shows claim to be an Oggcast, but actually they are just Podcasts. An Oggcast is a show that offers only Ogg to their listeners and not patent encumbered codecs like mp3. What is an Ogg you ask? Ogg Vorbis is a completely open, patent-free, professional audio encoding and streaming technology with all the benefits of Open Source. Oggcast Planet fully supports the PlayOgg campaign founded by the Free Software Foundation.

Find all of your Freedom loving Ogg goodness at http://oggcastplanet.org/index.html